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Athene: Harmless Entertainer or Toxic Troll?

posted by snackattack, 1 year ago
Rumors have been flying that Athene is exploiting, attempting to acquire a higher tier in solo queue by making his friends feed for the team he faced or purposedly creating a negative atmosphere on the enemy team. Some people are saying hes exploiting just to reach the Diamond League. Others state that Athene is only guilty of being generous and has done no wrong. Which one is true? Is he a malicious exploiter - or is he a noble man and hilarious entertainer? Or is it a bit of both?

Introduction


Amid some questionable circumstances the self-proclaimed "World's Best Gamer" Athene finally completed his several month long journey to Diamond. Yet instead of celebration from his fans the achievement was met with considerable skepticism from the community that led to the discovery of some potentially shady activity. I hope to dig through the colossal mountain of hyperbole from both sides of the argument and look at what we know and perhaps start a more reasoned discussion on the subject.

Keep in mind I do not want to persecute or defend Athene. I am only gathering what evidence I can find in order to fairly present varying opinions on this matter. I simply want to present an objective analysis of the facts and different opinions.

Lets address the first and most recent and uncontroversial of these claims.

Statement:

Athene duo queued and had friends queue simultaneously in order to game the Ranked system by having more friends on his own team.


Evidence:

Going through twitch VODs as well as his match history tells us that there is no way to deny of this point. A few people he duo-queued with at one point were scattered throughout his recent games in his match history. It becomes clear that he developed a core group of friends that would attempt to re-queue together in order to get in the same game.

As he completely admits at 5:57:45 in this video.

Athene says:

Its actually good that we're queuing with three people, you know why? Its going to be the ultimate rage on the threads, like everybody's going to say "that had three people queueing with him and all that now we even have four, like its just too good."


In Athene's favor: This is hardly an exploit. At best he got three out of five players on his team as coordinated friends, which isn't really that much of an advantage to begin with. Keep in mind its not uncommon for pro teams to queue at similar times after scrims, nobody really complains that there are 3 members of CLG.EU in a random high level game. It may make the game a bit harder to win, but its certainly not malicious in nature.

Against Athene: It is still gaming the system. Riot only wanted to allow duo queues in order to prevent someone from basically having a coordinated team effort vs. 5 random solo-que players. Its not a terrible offense but it is an exploit nonetheless.


Digging in

Now I want to move onto a similar statement that is certainly more malicious in nature and certainly has a lot more controversy surrounding it.

Statement:

"In those attempts to get multiple friends in his game if his friends end up on the enemy team Athene asks his friends to throw the games (or they just throw them for him) by feeding him or disconnecting."

Evidence:

Note:
This statement is the most controversial and the hardest to prove one way or the other. All we have on this is circumstantial evidence. This evidence does end up going both ways though.

Exhibit A: The piece of evidence that has the League community up in arms is a game wherein after absolutely destroying the game early on, the Jungler (a Xin Zhao) and the mid lane (Irelia) who destroyed Athene and his team (Athene himself was 0/7/1 and his team was 4 kills to 15 deaths and down 3 turrets to zero). Both players suddenly disconnected at the 1:03:40 second mark of the following video.


Exhibit B: A screenshot taken shortly after the aforementioned game shows the Xin Zhao from the game before sending a skype request to Athene. The only thing changed in this screenshot was my attempt to hide any personal information from the screenshot that already hit the internet. If you really want to find the person's real name you could find it if you wanted to. The only important thing is noticing the name of the Xin Zhao player is identical to the skype screen-name of the contact request.

Exhibit C: If you refer to the match history posts I made above we see quite a bit of VENOM Blademaster showing up, who started showing up after this game where he and his duo queue partner happened to disconnect.

Exhibit D: Contrary to previous evidence this evidence shows some of Athene's match history where he got one of his friends on the enemy team yet Athene still lost. This evidence displays that there was at least no ridiculously obvious signs of assisting athene unfairly.

This image was originally posted to reddit with obvious bias saying "Myr Zizz" was trying to throw the game and failed.

However despite the alleged attempts to cheat, this shows a respectable 8/6/15 score, which would seem to disprove any implication that he was told to "throw the game". Or at the very least it would prove he is terrible at throwing games.

Potential Hyperbole: Supposedly there was another screenshot of “proof” that Athene was talking to Blademaster (one of the two leavers) on skype during the game where they both left. As I cannot locate this supposed screenshot it would be unfair to include it as evidence. If he was communicating with Blademaster then that would be a bit more concerning as far as the theory that athene directly asked them to leave the game in order to avoid being demoted to plat III.

In Athene's Favor: All of this is in fact circumstantial. There is no evidence that anyone actually fed him. Even in the game where both players disconnected they actually went out of their way to absolutely dominate him in lane. If they actually wanted to just make him win they could have at least fed him a bit before the disconnect. Also adding the person after the fact doesn’t mean that it was some sort of negotiated deal where they decided to throw the game in order to become his friend. Ultimately all it shows is that Athene was willing to play with a couple people who crushed him in an earlier game.

Against Athene: The fact that 2 people just happened to disconnect while they were crushing him, within 25 seconds of each other is an unbelievably huge stroke of luck for Athene. Then the fact that he adds them to skype and starts duoing with one of the people who was supposedly having internet trouble just minutes before shows some sort of external knowledge on Athene’s part. Would it be very logical to just suddenly join a guy who just disconnected for 20 minutes because of incredibly unreliable internet? Probably not. It may not be conclusive proof, but that alone is pretty sketchy at best. Also these terrible internet problems seemed to never occur in any more of their many many games together.


More accusations

For the third accusation, its more clear cut similar to the first one, but a bit more in the grey area as far as whether or not its an acceptable behavior in league, especially given that you’re not supposed to be able to dodge in your promotion series.

Statement: "Athene told his duo partner to dodge for him because someone else picked ryze."

Evidence:

This one is as clear cut as the first accusation with a direct recording at 06:02:10 of this video you can hear the whole thing in his final promotion series game to diamond, or what would have been his final game if it weren't for the dodge.

He says:

I didn't even dodge, Blademaster dodged, so I don't even lose LP
-Athene in his stream


In Athene's Favor: Riot allows the duo system and they decided to make placement games open like all other games. So to have someone in placement matches that wants a dodge from a troll pick or whatever, its completely within expectations that a duo partner would dodge for them. Theres no real harm done here, and ultimately the opposing team picked ryze specifically because they wanted to troll Athene in the first place. It wouldn’t have even happened to a normal player.

Against Athene: Riot clearly didn't want you to be able to dodge in promotional matches. He uses his friend to dodge because his champion pool is basically one champion. The whole purpose of not being able to dodge is to ensure that players can’t pick and choose their games, which is exactly what athene is doing here.


The last accusation


The last accusation is less of an accusation and more of an analysis on Athene's behavior in League of Legends. The whole purpose of the article is to look at him as a player and to see if he is a toxic influence or just an entertainer having some fun.

Statement: "Athene has shown time and time again he will rage and generally verbally harass others."

Evidence:

This tribunal case cropped up a while ago and shows while he isn't always toxic, he certainly was for one or two games.

In Athene's Favor: Its a persona that he has, theres no real harm done and he doesn't rage that much.

Against Athene: Its irrelevant if its a persona or not, he still rages at people and calls people trolls if he doesn't get Ryze or Soraka. He will lock mid even if there is already one. Thats not a matter of a persona or preference, thats just flat out bad behavior.


Conclusion

Athene, especially right now with his most recent questionable achievement has become one of the most polarizing figures in the League of Legends scene. It seems like you either love him or hate him. The problem with looking at him reasonably is exactly this, the people that love him will defend him to the end of the earth even when he does do something that negatively impacts the community. On the other side of things the people that hate him will exaggerate and make up things to make their arguments seem stronger. Even in this thread where I focused mostly on the recent events I encountered a lot of exaggerated arguments and supposed concrete evidence.


Round-off

It is my opinion that after objective analysis all I can fairly conclude is that there was some exploitation used in order to achieve diamond. However that is all I can conclude. It is not my place to suggest that he should be banned for this action, let alone a warning. Systems can be exploited all of the time and riot may see this as a serious infraction or a minor one. Most of the serious accusations can't be proven and I think it would be unfair to just accept those as truths. Hopefully with this analysis we can have a reasonable discussion about the situation and resort less to hyperbole.

Feel free to share your opinions in the comment section below!


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#1
dYnAm1c wrote at 30.03.2013, 00:40 CET:
Thats one good analysis. But I doubt Riot will take any actions, as always they are way to soft with big personas.
#2
Vizvezdenec wrote at 30.03.2013, 00:52 CET:
Athene is cocky low-skilled retard. Who the hell cares about him?
#3
Lana wrote at 30.03.2013, 00:57 CET:
Vizvezdenec wrote:
Athene is cocky low-skilled retard. Who the hell cares about him?


^
#4
BomberBoy wrote at 30.03.2013, 01:30 CET:
RIOT have evidence of necaderp admitting that Athene asked Blademasta and him to purposely lose the game.
You will see soon when RIOT check it out. He will get banned. They are all logged in pvp.net chat. I am telling you.
This key peice of evidence alone will put a nail in Athenes coffin, and Riot have it. Cheating scum.

edited by BomberBoy at 30.03.2013, 01:37 CET
#5
Karmadaemon wrote at 30.03.2013, 01:32 CET:
"In Athene's Favor: Its a persona that he has, theres no real harm done and he doesn't rage that much."

so if i say its just the character/role i play that rages and not my actual self, it is k?

I cant stand his behavior in general. This whole thing like: "hey here see, i do charity i have to be good, and it doesnt matter how i made the money, its for a good cause" is totally bullshit. I really think that nobody took action so far, because he hides behind the "i do it for a good cause" wall and the overly emotional, naive muricans dont want to cut the money for some little african childs.

besides that, his whole business model is just disgusting. Being a dick to create haters and fanboys who watch every of his steps to make money, srsly. He might be acting but in the end it is not even important since it doesnt matter when others are directly negatively influenced by his actions.
There is a huge difference in his actions to other "actors" such as Doublelift, who only plays his role sometimes + he shows with his body language and funny exaggerations that he is not serious.
#6
Serakris wrote at 30.03.2013, 01:33 CET:
Vizvezdenec wrote:
Athene is cocky low-skilled retard. Who the hell cares about him?

I agree with you he is not even a gamer without some maniac people who gives everything to him he would be nothing and Im not jealous there is no reason why. I admire better players like Kripparian or some pro players who actually has skills and knowledge about game. He thinks he is some kind of god or king of the world just because he gives money to charity. Basically everything he does is trolling and blaming.
#7
merb wrote at 30.03.2013, 01:46 CET:
Your article is fine. Athene can't accept that somebody critizes him in public and he felt you harm him. It was very objective.
Don't skype with him or complain with him.
Athene is a douche that he says your article is bullshit. He don't want it cause you wrote negative stuff about him and he don't want to see it.
#8
BomberBoy wrote at 30.03.2013, 01:53 CET:
Athene knows hes done wrong, you can tell. But like I said his friend necaderp admitted everything. Riot have it, its gg.
#9
Xxp wrote at 30.03.2013, 02:03 CET:
"I focused mostly on the recent events" You used a tribunal case from over a year ago. Athene has no warnings since he had his item implemented.
"which would seem to disprove" Instead you should state "which disproves" because when you state facts, you shouldn't say "seem".
#10
Jogoly wrote at 30.03.2013, 02:03 CET:
Nice article
#11
Xxp wrote at 30.03.2013, 02:05 CET:
BomberBoy wrote:
Athene knows hes done wrong, you can tell. But like I said his friend necaderp admitted everything. Riot have it, its gg.


Actually he admitted he wasn't asked to throw any games by Athene, so it's gg no ban :)
#12
BomberBoy wrote at 30.03.2013, 02:08 CET:
Xxp wrote:
BomberBoy wrote:
Athene knows hes done wrong, you can tell. But like I said his friend necaderp admitted everything. Riot have it, its gg.

Actually he admitted he wasn't asked to throw any games by Athene, so it's gg no ban :)


We will see bro, we will see.
#13
Jogoly wrote at 30.03.2013, 02:17 CET:
Xxp wrote:
BomberBoy wrote:
Athene knows hes done wrong, you can tell. But like I said his friend necaderp admitted everything. Riot have it, its gg.

Actually he admitted he wasn't asked to throw any games by Athene, so it's gg no ban :)


i think athene wrote it to blademasta and he told it to necaderp. i might be wrong there but this is what i read on reddit..
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BomberBoy wrote at 30.03.2013, 02:18 CET:
http://i.imgur.com/3EOgrmU.png here is a snippet off the thread, there was more of necaderp admitting it. In that image he is saying Blade was talking to Athene during the game on skype. There were more images, RIOT have the full logs. Including him admitting it.
#15
SF Zork wrote at 30.03.2013, 02:19 CET:
http://imgur.com/a/R8dcz
#16
ginoz wrote at 30.03.2013, 02:20 CET:
if you look at this outside of the box, think of how much money in2lol.com just made from this article. Well played.
#17
Xxp wrote at 30.03.2013, 02:20 CET:
"circumstantial evidence. This evidence does end up going both ways though." Is really loaded. You state circumstantial evidence, which is against Athene then you label it as "evidence" for both sides. There is no evidence against Athene, I suggest you fix this to state just "circumstantial evidence." and not classify the two sides as evidence when one is not.
#18
Xxp wrote at 30.03.2013, 02:25 CET:
BomberBoy wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/3EOgrmU.png here is a snippet off the thread, there was more of necaderp admitting it. In that image he is saying Blade was talking to Athene during the game on skype. There were more images, RIOT have the full logs. Including him admitting it.


You shouldn't post a "snippit" followed by an explanation trying to state it as fact. Rather you should post entire screenshots of what you spoke about because for all we know you've taken a screenshot out of context.

For instance, I could say that screenshot is him saying that it was BladeMasta who was talking to Athene on skype and that is all. All he's agreeing with is there was a skype on the stream and it was BladeMastas.

gg no ban, keep spinning the lies.
#19
BomberBoy wrote at 30.03.2013, 02:26 CET:
Snackattack why are you giving in to him? WHY?
#20
Xxp wrote at 30.03.2013, 02:27 CET:
BomberBoy wrote:
Snackattack why are you giving in to him? WHY?


Because he is correct. There is a HUGE difference between "circumstantial" and "substantial" and it should be made VERY clear which of the two is what.
#21
BomberBoy wrote at 30.03.2013, 02:28 CET:
Xxp wrote:
BomberBoy wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/3EOgrmU.png here is a snippet off the thread, there was more of necaderp admitting it. In that image he is saying Blade was talking to Athene during the game on skype. There were more images, RIOT have the full logs. Including him admitting it.

You shouldn't post a "snippit" followed by an explanation trying to state it as fact. Rather you should post entire screenshots of what you spoke about because for all we know you've taken a screenshot out of context.
For instance, I could say that screenshot is him saying that it was BladeMasta who was talking to Athene on skype and that is all. All he's agreeing with is there was a skype on the stream and it was BladeMastas.
gg no ban, keep spinning the lies.


Thats all I could get from the deleted thread. Like I said RIOT can see it all. Its up to them.
#22
AoDjosef wrote at 30.03.2013, 02:28 CET:
hi snackattack
I got some Evidence there can prove that he "buy" elo boost to diamond :)
contact me fast!
#23
BomberBoy wrote at 30.03.2013, 02:30 CET:
AoDjosef wrote:
hi snackattack
I got some Evidence there can prove that he "buy" elo boost to diamond :)
contact me fast!


Just post it in the public, snack is on a Skype chat with Athene atm. Athene is drowning himself. Better play that Sonic tune.
#24
decmasta wrote at 30.03.2013, 02:30 CET:
Alright, in2lol is ruined for me now. Thx, I will never be back here again.
#25
fatpanda11 wrote at 30.03.2013, 02:32 CET:
Ive really began to hate Athene after his rant about this post.... this kid needs to tell him that the direct evidence is 2 NOT 1, 2 people instantly DCd for no reason which is DIRECT evidence.... following that is the circumstantial evidence. I will no longer ever tune into another Athene stream following this 1 feel bad for the kids.
 
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